You Asked: How Do We Know If God Is Disciplining Us?

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Connor S. from Crystal Lake, Illinois, asks:

Hebrews 12:6-7 reads: “For those whom the Lord loves he disciplines, and he scourges every son whom he receives. It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline?”

Does this mean that hardships, sickness, disease, and the like happen because God is disciplining his children? (Moreover, what about hardships that happen to unbelievers? If this is not God’s discipline in their lives, then why do these events happen? Is it God’s punishment?) Does this mean every bad thing (or only some bad things) that happens to Christians, happens because God is disciplining us? If a Christian gets the flu, or a cold, or cancer, or gets in a car crash, or loses a job — should these hardships be seen as God’s discipline? Of course God is sovereign over all things–but when bad things happen to Christians, should these happenings be seen as God’s discipline, or God’s soverign use of evil for our good, or results of sin and the Fall, or all of the above?

We posed this question to D. A. Carson, professor of New Testament at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Deerfield, Illinois, and author of many books, including How Long, O Lord? Reflections on Suffering and Evil. Carson is the co-founder and president of The Gospel Coalition.


It is easy to think of passages in which God sends catastrophic judgment in a purely retributive way, without an ounce of cleansing discipline (e.g., the destruction and death of Saul, for whom Samuel was ordered to cease praying). It is easy to think of passages in which a human being experiences years of suffering entirely unconnected to any immediate human sin (e.g., the man born blind in John 9) — and in this case one must assume, on the one hand, that the blindness was part of living in a fallen world (he would not have been born blind had Genesis 3 never occurred), and, on the other, that in God’s providence the suffering, according to Jesus, provided an occasion for God to be glorified through the display of Jesus’ miraculous power. It is easy to think of passages in which long-term suffering (e.g., the man paralyzed for 38 years, John 5) and even death (1 Cor 11) is the direct result, not of the entailments of the Fall, but of particular sins. In the first of these two cases, the paralysis leads to Jesus’ healing miracle, and Jesus’ subsequent instruction to stop sinning lest a worst thing befall the man suggests there was a disciplining function; in the second of these two cases, so far as the record goes, we do not know how many of the Corinthians heeded Paul’s warnings and repented, but for some it was clearly too late (they had already “fallen asleep”).

It is easy to think of passages where suffering is clearly not deserved for any direct offense, and where the only “explanation” given is not so much an explanation as a powerful appeal to trust the living God whose power and knowledge are infinitely greater than ours (Job). It would be easy to list other passages with variations on these themes. It is easy to remember that in the Old Testament God declares that he is the Lord, the Healer (Exod 15:26), while in the New Testament Jesus is disclosed as the great Physician — but of course we must remember that God is also the sovereign Judge who deploys the cruel Assyrians to punish his covenant people (Isa 10:5ff), and the Apocalypse warns us to flee the wrath of the Lamb.

Pastoral Implications

From such diverse passages, we should draw at least three important inferences with substantial pastoral implications.

First, we are likely to make exegetical and theological mistakes when we take any one of these passages and treat it as if it explains all suffering. The biblical account of Job does not nicely explain why people were falling ill and dying in Corinth because of their unworthy approach to the Lord’s Supper. Jesus’ exhortation to the healed paralytic in John 5 cannot be repeated to the man born blind in John 9. Examples could easily be multiplied. Just as wise pastors will not formulate church practice on, say, divorce and remarriage, based on only one passage, but will instead attempt a responsible integration, so also wise pastors will not fasten on a “one size fits all” passage about suffering and interpret all suffering through that one lens. A Christian would be foolish to think that every instance of suffering he or she undergoes must necessarily be the result of God’s disciplining hand arising out of a particular sin — just as a Christian would be foolish to overlook the possibility that God may be inflicting suffering in a disciplinary fashion.

Second, in any suffering, or in any other event for that matter, God is doubtless doing many things, perhaps thousands of things, millions of things, even if we can only detect two or three or a handful. A godly woman in her middle years is diagnosed with stage-four breast cancer. What is God doing? My little brain can imagine several possibilities. At one level, he may be providentially allowing the effluents of the Fall to take their course, a constant reminder that it is appointed to all of us to die, and then face judgment (Heb 9). He may be preparing her for eternity: it is a great grace to know when you are going to die, and prepare for it. He may be shocking her 20-something son, who is living his life indifferent to the gospel, to prod him into self-examination and repentance. He may use her testimony about the joy of the Lord even in the midst of suffering to call another of her children into vocational ministry. He may be using her as a way to teach people in her church what it looks like to “die well,” anticipating several other deaths in the next two years. He may be teaching her minister-husband to slow down and care about his family, and in principle other people, instead of being endlessly busy with “the ministry.” He may be sparing her from living long enough to witness the moral destruction of her daughter. Her funeral may be the means by which several of her unconverted relatives, for whom she has been praying, will come to faith — conversions for which she would happily give her life. Perhaps one of those converts will become a Christian pastor of rare gift whose ministry of proclamation will touch thousands. Perhaps she is hiding some deep bitterness and hate in her life, and God is using this means to confront her.

I’ve barely started a list of possible things God may be doing, and I have a small brain. What does the omniscient God think he is doing? In other words, sometimes we have to cover our mouths and confess, in faith, that we cannot possibly grasp all that God is doing when someone suffers. So why should we think in antithetical terms about how God must be doing this but not that, when in reality he may be doing this and that and that, and that and. . . ? But he is trustworthy; we know that, for he sent his Son to suffer on our behalf.

Third, it follows that when we face suffering of any kind, we should use the occasion for self-examination. God may be speaking to us in the language of a wise heavenly Father who chastens those he loves. Such chastening may be God’s response to specific sins in our lives; it may be a more general way of toughening us up in this broken world so we will stop thinking that God owes us good health, or that our clean living and organic food guarantees us long and robust life. Or it may be that God has a bet going on with Satan himself: think Job. So our self-examination ought to be honest, and any repentance should be forthright — but we should not whip ourselves into thinking that the crippling accident we just endured was a function of our sin. Even if it were, the remedy is always the same: flee to the Cross, and trust our good and gracious and holy God. And it’s not inconceivable that we may conclude, with Job, that this suffering cannot be God’s punishment for specific sins in our lives.

We sometimes observe that hard cases make bad theology. But easy, formulaic answers to questions of suffering are invariably reductionistic — and they make bad theology, too.

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  • Michael Snow

    “… we should use the occasion for self-examination.”

    We should also remember the need for our collective examination as the people of God in our financially and morally bankrupt nation which might not exist when our grandchildren are grown.

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  • Ray Forthuber

    how refreshing; issuing from the lips of a respected scholar/theologian/pastor…to the ears of a brother slighted/wounded by reductionist admonishment …

  • Andrew

    This was incredibly helpful. Thank you!

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  • Steve Cornell

    Thank you, Dr. Carson. Your labor of love for the Church has been a great blessing to many!

    As I read the question here, I thought about the word “perspective” because the readers of the letter were struggling with how to see their circumstances. How should they reason from earth to heaven? Has God abandoned them?

    It appears that they (like many of us) were tempted to misread their hardships as God’s lack of concern for them. When exhorted to “Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons” they are being challenged to choose the right perspective. How will I construe my circumstances? How will I relate God to them? How do I do this when the “hostile treatment” comes from sinful men?

    Perhaps it is most difficult to discern the hand of God or, “God treating us as sons,” when difficulties come from hostile treatment by others. Yet it is at these times that we must rise above the circumstances and see God as superior to the evil intentions of people. We must resolve to see our situation as from our heavenly father — not from those who treat us with hostility. We must confess our Father’s greater love and ask him to sustain us and thank him that He is willing to take so much time to conform us to his likeness. “God disciplines us for our good that we may share his holiness” (Hebrews 12:10).

    We are called to endure the unpleasant work of the planting and growing season by being mindful of the harvest (see Hebrews 12:11).

    A great example is found in Joseph (and I so much appreciated how you explained his trials in “How Long O Lord?”). What did Joseph say to his frightened brothers in Genesis 50:20? “Although you intended evil against me God meant it for good to bring about the saving of many lives.” I notice that Joseph confessed the superiority of God’s providential purposes not in terms of benefiting Joseph but in using Joseph to bless others. Perspective! Yet, I think there is evidence to suggest that Joseph (like us) arrived at his perspective through dark nights of the soul in agonizing prayer.

    The Psalmist also recognized another perspective forming benefit in suffering when he wrote: “Before I was afflicted I went astray, but now I obey your word” and “It was good for me to be afflicted so that I may learn your decrees” (119:67, 71).

    So sometimes God uses afflictions to promote obedience. Other times he allows suffering to prevent disobedience as in the case of the apostle Paul. In II Corinthians 12:7-10 Paul wrote, “To keep me from being conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh..”

    Perspective seems to be most important.

    Thanks again!

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  • Ben Miller

    It seems that the view of “discipline” in the question has only a negative connotation. This is far from the biblical concept of discipline, which encompasses all that is used to “train” us toward a desired outcome of godliness.

    Our suffering, our learning from the Word, our interraction with other believers regarding our own sin and righteousness… all of this is part of God’s discipline. God’s discipline is not for merely punitive measures if we are truly his sons through faith, but instead is meant to produce “the peaceful fruit of righteousness.” So in every circumstance, whether difficult (as mentioned in the Hebrews passage itself)or simply instructional, the desire to yield peaceful righteousness should be at the forefront of our hearts and minds. In this way we can delight knowing all suffering will be used by God for our good. Also, an intimate knowledge of God’s love for us in the midst of suffering can be known because we know he IS using that suffering to “discipline” us in the “training” sense, even if the suffering is not the direct result of sin.

    Changing our perspective on discipline from punitive to formative, from negative only to holistic will affect so many areas of our lives, from our own relationship with the Father to our relationship with our kids, to our view of the suffering of others.

  • Seth Fuller

    There is severe discipline for him who forsakes the way; whoever hates reproof will die. (Proverbs 15:10 ESV)

  • stingray

    bible teach us how to obey god s law

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