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Mark Driscoll interviews Dave Kraft, author of the new Re:Lit book, Leaders Who Last--which releases today.

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8 thoughts on “Leaders Who Last”

  1. Bryant says:

    Does Driscoll ever wear anything else besides a Ramones shirt? a postmodern fashion design LOL

  2. A. Amos Love says:

    Justin – Hmmm? Leaders? Only 30% of leaders last.
    Sounds like a dangerous postion to assume. Yes?

    Just wondering how you reconcile the use
    of the word “leader” With what Jesus said in Mt 23:10.

    The word “leader” seems like a “high place.” Yes?
    Jesus always took and recommended the “low place.” Yes?

    Jesus humbled Himself, made himself of no reputation
    and took on the form of a servant.
    Php 2:7

    Jesus in Mat 23:10 told His disciples
    “NOT” to call themselves master/“leaders”
    for you have one master/”leader” the Christ.

    King James Version –
    Neither be ye called masters:
    for one is your Master, even Christ.

    The Interlinear Bible –
    Nor be called leaders,
    for one is your leader the Christ.

    Phillips Modern English –
    you must not let people call you leaders,
    you have only one leader, Christ.

    Today’s English Version –
    nor should you be called leader.
    your one and only leader is the Messiah.

    The Amplified-
    you must not be called masters ( leaders )
    for you have one master ( leader ) the Christ.

    Jesus told “His disciples” not to be called “leaders” and none did.
    Ro 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ…
    Php 1:1 Paul and Timotheus,the servants of Jesus Christ…
    Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, servant of Christ…
    Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God…
    Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God…
    2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant…

    His disciples “all” called themselves “servants.”
    None called themselves “leaders.” None? None.
    None called themselves “servant-leader.” None.

    Why are we trying to train “Leaders” for the ekklesia of God?”
    Why aren’t we training “Servants of Christ” like Jesus did?

    Isn’t “Servanthood” inclusive? Everyone can be a “Servant of Christ.”
    Isn’t “Leadership” exclusive? Only available to “A special few.”

    If Jesus instructed “His disciples” NOT to call themselves “leaders,”
    and someone calls themself a “leader,” or thinks they are a “leader;”

    Are they a “disciple of Christ?”

    And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
    them also I must bring, and they shall hear “my voice;”
    and there shall be “one” fold, and “one” shepherd.
    John 10:16

    One Fold – One Shepherd – One Voice.
    If Not Now, When?

    Be blessed and be a blessing.

    1. Justin Taylor says:

      Check out Heb 13; “leaders” is used several times.

  3. Chad West says:

    Jesus told us not to be leaders? That is hilarious and some people are wrapped around the axle.

  4. Aaron says:

    I read the NavPress edition of this book last year – it’s tremendously helpful. I really appreciated the wisdom and insights that Dave Kraft offers in the book.

  5. A. Amos Love says:


    Thanks for the Heb 13 reference about “Leaders.”
    Where else is “Leader” used in your version?

    The question was about Jesus teaching “His Disciples” NOT
    to be called “Leaders” for you have one “Leader” the Christ.
    And, none of “His Disciples” called themselves “Leaders.”

    Jesus also taught “His Disciples” NOT to “exercise authority.”

    Mark 10:42-45
    But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them,
    Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles
    “exercise lordship” over them; and their great ones
    “exercise authority” upon them. But so shall it not be among you:
    but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your *minister: (diakonos = servant)
    And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be *servant of all. (doulos = slave)

    The info in the video points out, “Only 30% of leaders last.”
    Doesn’t that mean, 70% of those in the “position” of “Leader” FAIL.

    Justin, That’s 70% FAIL. C’mon, you have to admit something is way wrong.
    With all the resources, leaders conferences, books, schools, web sites, still 70% FAIL.

    There are countless books on “How to be a Leader in the Church.”
    I know, I read lot’s of them when “MY elders” “Flattered Me,” and
    offered “Me” a leadership “Position” and said I was “leadership” material.

    Pro 29:5
    A man that flattereth his neighbor spreadeth a net for his feet.

    The trap had been set. The “test” had begun. I could be someone important.
    I could have a “Title” and all the “little extras” that comes with “Pastor/Leader.”
    Power, profit, prestige, honor, glory, recognition, reputation, etc.

    All those things Jesus spoke against. Yes?

    Here’s a list of 300 – Seminaries, Bible Colleges, Divinity Schools.

    Read the 300 mission statements, Most say they are “Training Leaders.”
    Thousands and thousands of $ dollars, Years and years of “Education.”

    And a 70% failure rate. Oy Vey!!! What’s wrong with this picture?

    Doesn’t say much for the schools, books, and Leadership Confrences, of “Christiandumb.”
    501 (c) 3, non-profit, tax deductible, religious corporations, (called “church,”)
    are closing at the rate of 7,000 a year. Only 4,000 new start ups. Hmmm? Down 3,000 a year.
    People are leaving “The Religious Corporations” in droves, estimates in the millions.

    Should we call “A Corporation” “The Church of God?”

    Are we listening to Jesus at all?
    NO – we create more denominations, (already in the thousands),
    more schools, more professors, more books, more confrences, more $ money to be made.

    Why not ask Jesus what to do?

    John 6:45
    It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God.

    Deuteronomy 4:36
    Out of heaven he made thee to hear “his voice,”
    that he might instruct thee:

    IMO – Jesus trained “Servants of Christ” NOT “Leaders of men.”


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