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This was one of the most interesting conversations I’ve been a part of—an interview of John Piper and John MacArthur together (September 28, 2007). On the surface there are many similarities between these two preachers. But on another level you couldn’t find two men more different.

You can listen to it, or watch it below. Here are the questions I asked them:

When did you become aware of each others’ ministries?
How have your fathers influenced your ministries? Did they want you to be pastors?
If you could tell your younger selves one thing, knowing what you now know, what would it be?
How do you handle praise? How about criticism?
How do you counsel younger ministers and missionaries when their ministries seem fruitless?
When you get discouraged where do you go for encouragement?
What do you want to be remembered for when your life is over?

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8 thoughts on “A Conversation with John Piper and John MacArthur”

  1. James says:

    No Video. Only sound.

  2. It’s crazy that the videos I put up three years ago would end up on Justin’s blog. It used to be video, but for some reason it must have gotten screwed up.

    I had some time in between semesters and decided to upload videos of my favorite preachers. Of the 651 videos I uploaded for “thejohnpiperchannel”, no doubt in my mind why this conversation was the most viewed.

    It was very edifying and encouraging to me when I first heard it, glad to see it’s getting some press!

    1. Douglas says:

      Whodathunk, eh, Logan?

  3. I respect both of these men deeply; it has always been John Piper, John MacArthur and R.C. Sproul who led the way for the reformed camp. I’ve always wondered who would take their place, but many good men are coming out of The Master’s Seminary each and every day. I just can’t help it, though, these three, dear men of God, will always be indelibly imprinted in my heart. Most of my library contains their books.

    1. Phil Johnson could easily step into John MacArthur’s shoes. :)

  4. Matt says:

    I was there at the 2007 Perseverance of the Saints conference 5 years ago. My favorite quote of this conversation (from memory here so sequence is not exact):

    JT: What do you want to be remembered for when your life is over?
    JM: Who ever has time to think about these things?
    JM to JP Do you ever think about these kinds of questions?
    JP: ALL THE TIME. Folks we’re not all like him. :)

    The differences between them so glorifies our Lord.

    On a different note wrt that conference after 5 years I’m still reminded of a line of Macarthur: “Our role in ministry is to go deeper with Christ and trust God for the breadth of it.”

    Jerry Bridges’ 4 points from the same conference was so clarifying and helpful to be a persevering saint (again, from memory so may be a little fuzzy): 1. Have communion with God every day, 2. Preach the Gospel to yourself everyday, 3. Present yourself as a living sacrifice every day, 4. Have a Biblical understanding of suffering and the sovereignty of God. I (whatever that’s worth :)) recommend EVERYBODY listens to that message.

  5. I listened to all 6!! I love these 2 guys! I respect them so much and am so thankful for them and all I’ve learned for so many years from them! They made me laugh but also made me pick up my pen and take notes! Thanks for posting these! It was a fun way to spend my Saturday night :)

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